chuck hagel is an impressive guy who i admire in a lot of ways. i don't know why he thinks that it takes a republican to be nominated two times out of three. >> michelle fourneau, her job as under-secretary was historically high level achievement, for somebody in the defense world. when she was there as such a highly regarded person as a potential next secretary of defense, did it make a difference in the pentagon? did it make a difference in that setting to have a woman at that high level? >> right. i think it absolutely did in several different ways, number one, she was just a real inspiration for a lot of young women and really encouraged them to go into jobs that were seen as being in male-dominated realms, secondly, she really brought in a terrific crew of women into leadership positions in the pentagon. you know, dramatically increased the number of women in the positions. and when you think about the rolodex, you tend to think of people you know, and men tend to know more men, and women know more women, so getting people in that high-rankin